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Posted: 01 December 2011 at 10:57am | IP Logged Quote lenny

I have all but completed my full house voice control, and it is working well. 3 of the 4 voice control points use standard desktop mics with manual mute slider buttons. The main voice control point uses an array mic and this does not have a mute facility. To use this particular mic and avoid faulty triggering (TV etc.) I either manually switch on/ off the power to the device or activate/ deactivate harmony VR on the computer.


Functionality would be much improved if all the microphones and Harmony VR software where constantly on and a universal mute button was used for all. So the solution I am toying with is, as the title suggests, a bluetooth enabled portable on/ off or mute/ unmute switch. This could be in the form of a lapel badge or similar. Think... Star Trek! Something that could be worn by the usuer while in the house to perform the mute function.


I have tried several search string variations on google (the font of all knowledge that is google requires specific values in order to bring up the most appealing hits - as we all know) but so far have drawn a blank. Is anyone aware of a solution that would cover this particular scenario? A portable bluetooth enabled button with editable funtionality would be fine. Or perhaps something could be botched to work?




I will post on an AV site also to see if there are any intuitive answers from there also.




Here is a link that shows a portable networking device - this one has voice on it - I would require a button only as voice would drain the battery, need constant recharging and also be too large for the intended purpose.




news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ technology/3628517.stm

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Posted: 01 December 2011 at 11:28am | IP Logged Quote Rob Iles

I'm thinking "RFID". Passive tag/button
that you can attach to clothing/wrist
band/wallet etc, and 1 or more detectors
located around the house. Harmony-
RFID* would then enable 'know' where
the tag is (and optionally *who* is there
- assign tags to people?).

Use it in pre-req's etc to have events
happen based on presence.

Passive tags use no power - so no battery
issues.

Biggest issue would be arranging the
detectors in the best locations......

Sound like a plan, or have I overlooked
something obvious?

*NB Harmony-RFID does not yet exist! ;)

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Posted: 01 December 2011 at 11:59am | IP Logged Quote lenny

*edit* Thanks for the reply Rob. the upcoming RFID function would indeed be good for a host of scenarios... light control on entering/ exiting etc. After a lil more searching it looks like this is the option I need. Namely a push button RFID key fob. Harmony functionality will of course be greatly increased on release of specific RFID Harmony software. So all is needed is fob + usb receiver for straight up plug n play? Or is additional software needed for windows functionality/ button allocation.

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Posted: 01 December 2011 at 3:29pm | IP Logged Quote lenny

update... keyfobs are easily available but it seems that the receiver is going to prove harder to get. most are readers that have 100mm range for scanning RFID cards and fobs rather than operating like car alarm/ door entry key fobs. Perhaps Homer will have some ideas on sourcing the right stuff?

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Posted: 01 December 2011 at 3:57pm | IP Logged Quote lenny

www.rfid-in-china.com/

this link may be helpful to any interested in RFID technology. Have emailed several companies including the above, with reference to a solution. Will post here if something constructive arrises from those emails.
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Posted: 01 December 2011 at 4:39pm | IP Logged Quote bikerlad26

silly question could you not use the ibuttons on the 1-wire network not sure
if they would work im guessing Rob would have to do some sort of
reprogramming (sorry Rob)

sorry for butting in if this was a silly idea


Chris

P.s some info
Here

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Posted: 01 December 2011 at 5:41pm | IP Logged Quote Rob Iles

Lenny - you don't hang about do you! :-) I've actually got some RFID
kit, purchased with a Harmony component in mind. IIRC, they have a
7 Metre range (radios) - which is pretty good. I'll have to dig it out &
check - but must finish 1-wire docs and get IR testing underway first.

Chris - I fully intend to support iButton's at some point - don't worry
about that :-)

I don't think it would be a great solution to Lenny's issue, as iButton's
need to be physically connected (albeit momentarily) to a reader/
probe -- in which case one might just as well have a push switch in
this case.

This calls for a 'hands free' solution imho.

IButton - I see as potential candidate for door entry systems /
identification of some description.

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Posted: 01 December 2011 at 6:25pm | IP Logged Quote lenny

Chris, thanks for the link - made for interesting reading - I can certainly see the added functionality it will bring to harmony. I'm looking for a portable solution though and think 1wire will have to be just that - wired - unless I'm missing out on a wireless dev model.

Rob, aye! would like to get all remaining automation loose ends tied-up as major dinner party II looms mid December. Havn't forgotten about the Harmony review for the initial one... will sit down n write up soon...
back on topic
Glad to hear you already have some kit. Pass me an email on anything that may suit. Just to be clear the solution would ideally be a push-to-talk type clothes pin or key fob. I would favour, press for on and again for off, over a momentary switch.
That achieved all that would be needed is a desirable event encapsulating the voice command - "Beam me up Scotty!" ;-P
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Tsk ! Scotty eh ? I prefer the good old reliable HAL9000 myself !

Maybe it's time to get Rob a Kinect for Xmas

Working out if people are in a room must be one of the biggest problems for all HA systems. PIR's need you to wave your hands every few minutes, pressure mats only get somebody passing through (i.e. a transition), so what are we left with ?

1. Kinect
2. RFID
3. Wearing a tin foil hat and having a tin foil hat detector !

Please add more if you can think of them ! The best one could get built in to Harmony !
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Note to self for New Years resolution: Cut down on the exclamation marks !

Darn, done it again
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Posted: 02 December 2011 at 12:13am | IP Logged Quote Rob Iles

Lenny - I'll share as soon as I have something to show you. Pretty
sure they (pair - tag & detector) were <£20 each on eBay - from
China/HK.

Homer - appreciate the thought - but 1 kinect wouldn't do the job. I
looked into this shortly after release when someone had hacked
together a solution......alas, need something like 4 kinect's per room,
plus 1 per "interconnect" (doors & passageways) -- so easily 20+ for a
typical home :-(     Presence Detection (as opposed to motion
detection) hugely complicated. it's also something that interests me
a lot, so will definitely pursue it when time & funds permit! Anyone
up for a collaboration / sponsorship? ;)


going back to original topic, I bet you already carry a battery
powered Bluetooth transceiver with you most of the time - your
phone! if it's a smartphone you're likely to be able to toggle it as
desired..... this might do the job with the appropriate software.


signing out for the night will follow up tomorrow.

night all,

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Posted: 02 December 2011 at 7:16am | IP Logged Quote lenny

Homer! thanks! I'm pretty partial to HAL9000 myself! :-P

Rob. I think you may have something with the mobile > PC bluetooth control. Sounds ideal. Have downloaded this : (it's freeware)

www.mobilewitch.com/Mobilewitch-Bluetooth-Remote-Control_sof tware_details_2.htm

Will install later today and see how functional it is. Hoping it might work with my trusty XDA II (still use it as it supports one very handy, not as yet updated, app + it can be bashed around without much consequence) - could be reaching with that though.
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It seems so simple doesn't it ? Is somebody in the room ? YES !!!

Darn, there goes the exclamation marks again...
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Posted: 04 December 2011 at 12:28am | IP Logged Quote Rob Iles

Yes indeed, I'm full of "Simple" ideas

Success / failure of this would depend on the range of the BlueTooth hardware connected to (a/the) PC - - and *might* require more than one PC, unless the sensors can be networked in someway..... I still think it's "got legs" - even if it's not entirely suitable for Lenny, then it would seem to be a reasonable solution to "Presence Detection", as opposed to motion detection - - after all, most of us carry a mobile with us 99% of the time.

Quick test with BT enabled on my phone for 24 hours+, the 'powr usage breakdown' indicated the impact on battery life is minimal.

Now, how quicly can I file the Patent!!!
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Posted: 06 December 2011 at 1:56pm | IP Logged Quote lenny

My XDAii in this case refuses to communicate with my WIN7 machine - not surprising really given its age. Presently buying a smart phone as I have managed to find a solution to the (refusing to be updated) software I had mentioned earlier as the reason why I still used the older phone. It seems that there are ready solutions for most smartphones. Will update this threadwhen I have more news.

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Posted: 07 December 2011 at 8:47pm | IP Logged Quote Rob Iles

How are you getting on?

I'd first thought that the "software that refuses to be updated' may have been a polite reference to the Harmony PDA Client! Correct or not? If Correct, are you going Android, iOS , other?

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Posted: 08 December 2011 at 12:15pm | IP Logged Quote lenny

The solution is progressing on 2 different fronts. One is RFID - have one of Koreas leading RFID supplier/ developers, working on it. They have assigned a particular dev manager to the task. I did mention in my last email that it was a solution which would be helpful to not only myself but also for other users of the UK's leading home automation software ie. Harmony. Let's hope that it brings something of benefit to all interested in the VR field... Option 2 is BT through smartphone... receiving the phone tomorrow or Monday. Will be interesting to see what the market offers in the way of customizable BT remote control software for android. An add-on for harmony would be useful but I'm not sure where that is placed on the dev list. off topic... I was refering to a PPC software program for Bible study. It proves very useful when finding appropriate references to sometimes difficult and complex questions... like "what is going on in the world today and where is it all leading..." I conduct a study with several different individuals and get asked lots of questions by others... Turns out isilo is capable of running the software and so its opened up accessabilty for smartphones - at last! The smartphone used for the BT solution will be a Samsung Galaxy S GT i9000 running android 2.2.

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Posted: 28 December 2011 at 6:10am | IP Logged Quote lenny

Ok some progress has been made. I now have the samsung
galaxy android os phone communicating with my pc by wifi.
There is a clever little app which looks like the most
useful for this task as it has a custom key feature. it
can emulate keystrokes etc. Its called Gpad.
http://www.gpad.mobi/content/en/setup

So all I need now is some method to map one or 2 separate
buttons to specific keystrokes to mute or unmute the
microphone. Here's a post that sheds some light on the
subject: http://superuser.com/questions/55598/super-key-
to-pause-mute-mic-and-mute-speakers-in-windows

Someone has included the code needed to get this to work.
Or perhaps is just a matter of mapping the keyboard
strokes on the pc? Anyone have a few minutes to help me
finalise this project?

Thanks

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Posted: 28 December 2011 at 6:17am | IP Logged Quote lenny

yes... I really did spend most of the night finding a
solution for this one... Easy to tell that its the
holidays!

just to tidy up the thread a little...

Hardware needed...

1. Smartphone
2. A PC or laptop
3. Wifi or usb or Bluetooth connection method

Software:

1. Gpad (on your smartphone)
2. Gpad server (on the pc/ laptop)
link: http://www.gpad.mobi/content/en/setup (its
freeware)
GPad is an amazing app... lots of potential here...

3. NirCmd
link: http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/nircmd.html (also
freeware/ donate)

And finally this post:
http://darrenmccall.com/blog/2011/01/27/microphone-mute-
keyboard-shortcut/

Just follow the relative instructions for all the above,
its pretty simple. I have a test button working without
error. Thanks for the help of all involved.

Lenny   

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